I bet if you have a chronic illness, especially one as misunderstood as Ehlers Danlos syndrome (EDS), someone somewhere has given you a piece of well meaning advice that hasn’t quite landed.
As you will see, even from well trusted medical professionals.
Unless you know someone with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (EDS) or Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder (HSD) or have one of these conditions yourself you have probably never heard of them. Although the most common type of EDS, hypermobile type is not a rare condition, many medical professionals have very limited knowledge from their training, particularly about the multisystemic nature of the condition. Other professionals, perhaps in the education system or the local health services may never have come across EDS/HSD before at all.
So as patients and parents of patients we have come up against so pretty funny opinions from professional about EDS. I don’t think in most cases that these comments that people have are supposed to hurt or do harm, sometimes people simply do not think before they speak. Often, people want to help, are trying desperately to help but due to lack of understanding they don’t quite get it right! And sometimes they clearly don’t get it at all and should probably keep their thoughts to themselves and seek some proper advice or education from someone who does.
A little while ago I was having a challenging EDS mum day I needed to know that I wasn’t alone in all of this so I asked some EDS friends and parents a question “What is the one thing that someone has said to you that has been so ridiculously stupid it has actually made you smile?”
I had an overwhelming response, some of the 95 things NOT to say to someone with EDS will make you laugh, others will leave you speechless or shaking your head in disbelief. What they will make you feel, I hope, is that you are not alone in this journey.
Please feel free to add your own in the comments. I’m sure that you will relate?
Sarah 🙂
1. Headteacher: “We need a date in writing from a consultant when your son will be well”.
Sarah Wells
2. Consultant: “We know she has hEDS but we don’t like to label them, is it because you want to claim benefits?”
Vicki Mayor
3. “EDS is a positive thing as you can be a great dancer or gymnast”.
Kirsten Crossman
4. CAMHS therapist: “The Doctor upstairs says Chronic Fatigue isn’t part of hEDS”.
Julie Mcgrory
5. A Paediatric Consultant Gastroenterologist told me that of course EDS doesn’t affect the gastric system and I was stupid to suggest it did.
Charlotte Saunders
6. GP Appointment: examination of my daughter says “Well your very bendy!”
Grainne Sanchia Watts
7. My daughter’s GP (not her GP anymore needless to say!) when she was being denied a diagnosis and we wanted a second opinion, told her “Only people who are pretty much contortionists get referred to Hypermobility clinics”.
Tanya Beechey
8. Paediatric Consultant – “Don’t worry about it because you will grow out of it when your older”.
Kaz Temple
9. Last night at a college open evening, we explained the condition and ask about support, they told my son to practice walking across busy roads from now until September as they were sure it would help because (mom) is overprotective taking him to school by car.
Eleanor Speed
10. Put in writing by paediatric rheumatologist: “Has EDS III but at least it’s not a serious one”.
Sandie Reid
11. Rheumatologist to my 15 year old “You don’t HAVE to click your joints the pain is just imaginary, if you go off and do something else you’ll soon forget about it!” Yeah right….. Lol
Deb Wood
12. (Otherwise lovely) GP to me after reading report from rheumatology/genetics diagnosing daughter with hEDS: “No I didn’t mean this kind of thing; I meant did rheumatology think she had any REAL problems?”…
Anonymous
13. This one was said to me not my kids by a rheumatologist: “EDS doesn’t cause pain and POTS is imaginary pushed through by an overly excitable Dr Gall!” I honestly just sat there open mouthed!
Kerry Brown
14. “Don’t over medicalise her condition”, from Paed Consultant.
Kirsten Crossman
15. “POTS is just caused by inactivity & de-conditioning nothing else”.
Kirsten Crossman
16. “You don’t look like you have EDS”.
Hayley Airzee
17. Oh and the GP “You know EDS is rare don’t you?” As if being ‘rare’ means she couldn’t possibly have it! Haha. x
Deb Wood
18. “It’s all in your head”.
Tasha Whitmore
19. Paediatric Consultant: “Go home and eat curry to manage your constipation”, to my child with dysmotility.
Julie Mcgrory
20. “You need sectioning, it’s psychosomatic all in your head”. When my bladder, bowel and digestion failed they started to listen. X
Louise Pearse
21. A psychologist said…. “She doesn’t have EDS, she was seen dancing all around the ward by the nurses”.
Anonymous
22. Psychologist: “Stop looking for a medical solution to your problems.”
Chris Watson
23. Unconvinced rheumatologist to my daughter’s observation that she had met someone else with Functional Neurological Disorder: “You should choose your friends more carefully”.
Chris Watson
24. Social worker to student support: “Do you have a risk assessment for pushing R in her wheelchair in icy weather?”. One week later, RISK ASSESSMENT FOR ICY WEATHER, “In icy weather everyone involved in looking after R should take extra care”. The list is endless
Chris Watson
25. Saw optician as daughter’s eyes (which are 90% made of collagen) had deteriorated and reminded her of EDS history only to be told “Oh is that like a virus or something that will be fine in a couple of weeks?”.
Anonymous
26. Paediatrician told me “Ignore her in pain, distract her and feed her fish fingers”. 2 years later she was diagnosed JHS 6/9, global weakness, had orthotics, physio and hydro to name a few.
Caroline Bailey
27. I had a doctor tell me my shakes (which I now know is a benign tremor) was because “I had Irish ancestry and they had it hard during the famine!”
Wendy Marsh
28. “You can’t be in pain as you can move more than most. Here’s some antidepressants”.
Elaine Wyatt
29. “You can’t have EDS your skin isn’t stretchy enough”.
Kirsten Crossman
30. “Just before we get started, I don’t actually believe that EDS type three exists. The others but not type three.”
Sarah Wells
31. Only had one comment from a GP which was: “How did you manage to get an appt in alder hey, he isn’t sick” in reference to the paediatrician sending him to the rheumatologist there.
Naomi Bannaghan
32. Rheumatologist to my 15 year old “You don’t HAVE to click your joints the pain is just imaginary, if you go off and do something else you’ll soon forget about it”! Yeah right….. Lol
Deb Wood
33. Unconvinced Rheumatologist to my daughter’s observation that she had met someone else with Functional Neurological Disorder: “You should choose your friends more carefully.”
Chris Watson
34. Oh another one to me rheumatologist: “I can’t see why the depo contraceptive injection is making you sublux more or give you more pain.” Baring in mind every time I was pregnant and through puberty I was suffering badly.
Elaine Wyatt
35. Orthopaedic to my daughter after a trampoline injury at school and the cold left her with mobility problems: “1) You didn’t dislocate your hip, you would have had to be hit by a car! 2) Stop resisting me, I know you can lift your leg and 3) You can’t have hydrotherapy today – you will drown!” this was ALL part of ONE CONVERSATION same day and he denied saying all of it at the CIN meeting!!!
Anonymous
36. I was told by a specialist hypermobility physiotherapist that: “Of course your hip isn’t dislocating – you wouldn’t be able to cope with the pain” 🙄
Charlotte Saunders
37. How about “I really don’t think your joints sublux as you would be in much more pain” 😫
Sandra McCallum
38. Health visitor: “I don’t think there’s any problem with her I’m more inclined to think child abuse and/or poor parenting… oh and her university goals? I mean really I think dole queue or wiping bottoms is more apt don’t you?”
Nybee Carter
39. I had been explaining to a physio about my then 2 year old waking in the night screaming with leg pain, limping and getting swelling at her joints… She then said to me “Do you think that maybe she is copying her big brother because he has joint problems?!” I replied well if she is, she needs an Oscar to perform like that, especially at 2am in the morning. x
Kate Emery-Burns
40. From a cardiologist who wasn’t even my consultant the nurse just needed an ok for the tilt table. The consultant walks in and says oh is this the lady with eds. Looks at me all strapped to the table……… WELL you haven’t got EDS you’re not skinny and lanky!!!!!!!!!
Katarina-Gabriella Leake
41. “You are being bullied at school or controlled at home!!” – that was fun my normally gentle daughter told her where to go in no uncertain terms 😂
Wendy Marsh
42. “He’s not hypermobile – he only scores a 4 on the Beighton score.” (He’s an 8 and professor Grahame laughed because the only non hypermobile joint he could find was his toes).
Jennifer Bear
43. We got a score of 10 from our knowledgeable rheumatologist which I thought was pretty impressive.
Chris Watson
44. “We are going to discharge you because there’s nothing more we can do for your 8 yr old son and you don’t want too many professionals involved do you!!!” Said his paediatrician. I mean honestly. The boy is 8. Just because he doesn’t know how to support him.
Annelisa Neilson
45. The OT left a PenAgain pencil and a writing slope for my son then in year 2 to help him as his fingers and wrists were super bendy. After a week we went in to find the teacher had taken both off him and was going to send them back. Her reason, “the slope takes up too much space and his handwriting hasn’t improved at all so it was a waste of time”.
Naomi Bannaghan
46. Then there was my GP trying to refer me to a cardiologist for POTS as basic sit down stand ups in GPs office was very positive. The cardiologist said “They don’t accept referrals as POTS isn’t real.” So a rheumatologist decided to write in a report all cardiovascular events investigated and negative.
Elaine Wyatt
47. When I mentioned to my child’s rheumatologist about the new heading “hypermobility spectrum disorder” which was met with a blank face and the rheumy said to my child “Oh your mum even has a new name for what you have”.
Erin Devane
48. “I’d like to discount your previous diagnosis of HEDS and POTS and start again from scratch, looking first into Chronic fatigue syndrome! Because I think those diagnoses are questionable.” Paediatrician talking about my 14 yr old daughter who was diagnosed by Prof Grahame and since has had it confirmed by a further 4 consultant specialists and numerous OTs, Physios, A&E staff etc!!! Didn’t make me smile though, it made me cry for 2 days!!!
Katy Pascoe
49. Hospital registrar refusing an x-ray for a dislocated knee because if it was dislocated then her leg would be straight not bent as a person automatically straightens a joint when it dislocates. He then offered to pull it straight cos it was just cramp!!!!
Rebecca Jayne
50. Paediatrician: “You have a healthy child…stop looking for answers”. ….while my child held a puke bowl, had vomited just before the appointment, had a rash, had all over pain, couldn’t eat, couldn’t sleep and was diagnosed with shingles the NEXT day (after a visit to an acupuncturist…me NOT stopping to look for answers!!)…
Erin Devane
51. “All children are hypermobile”.
Wendy Marsh
52. I had a SENCO tell me that my son “Couldn’t have an EHCP because they don’t cover health issues”… umm I thought that was why it was called an Education and Health Care Plan????
Charlotte Saunders
53. “Don’t you think you daughter looks rather Downsy?” …. said when my daughter was 8 month old by a neonatal consultant at a check up !! I think my response was “err no… I think she looks rather daughtery but you sound rather nasty”.
Victoria Searle
54. Another time, while my daughter was writhing in pain with her stomach a doctor said “There’s nothing wrong with you hop off the bed, you can go home” when we insisted she had a scan, turned out she had a cyst the size of a tangerine! That was one embarrassed quack!!…. He was sorry I suppose but at that stage we had met too many doctors who had been rude and condescending.
Wendy Marsh
55. Don’t forget how he adjusted the seat higher before I jumped down 😂
Eleanor Lydwina Marsh
56. Orthopaedic surgeon to my 14 year old daughter 1 year before EDS diagnosis “You can’t dislocate without serious injury. Go out and ride a bike, that will sort you out”.
Rachel M Clark
57. A former head teacher in mainstream laughed when telling me my daughter was just naughty & wouldn’t conform. She also said she’d never get a Statement of Needs. My daughter was diagnosed ASD & Hypermobile, got her Statement & has gone on to attend an ASD school. x
Debbie Summerskill
58. My 6 year old daughters Paediatrician didn’t know her Rheumatologist and physio diagnosed hypermobility EDS, when I asked why he hadn’t considered it he said she doesn’t look like she has it ( I counted to 10) then handed him the diagnosis in writing. 😬
Vanessa Gain
59. I saw a physio with my daughter and said I was concerned it was EDS rather than hypermobility she said “Well do you watch coronation street? Izzy off there has EDS that’s EDS and clearly ur daughter hasn’t got that”.
Jane Pilley
60. When asking my child’s locum physiotherapist for advice managing chronic fatigue in my EDS, ME/CFS teen last Christmas. “Just be positive, Merry Christmas”.
Sarah Wells
61. “There is nothing wrong with you, you are a normal, healthy girl” ….”Then why do my knees dislocate so often?”……”It’s very common in young people”…. “Nobody else in my school has this happen!” 😂
Anonymous
62. I went to the doctor on the advise of my physio who was concerned about my hip thinking I may have a tear inside so I explained to the doc the pain locking hip etc and his response was “I don’t no anything about your condition so I’ll have a read up about it and give u a ring”. Never heard from him again. Oh and he printed me off a leaflet on hypermobility in children. I’m 37. lol
Jane Pilley
63. Today GP stated she doesn’t know why my daughter would possibly need a wheelchair, despite being the person to refer my daughter to wheelchair services in the first place.
Kat Murray
64. “Sure EDS doesn’t cause tummy pain!”…psychiatrist.
Erin Devane
65. GP to my 14 year old daughter after 4 years of disabling joint pain when we requested to see a different rheumatologist as we suspected hEDS (her big sister already diagnosed). “You’re a fit and healthy young lady, I don’t understand why you would want this label” this is the same GP who googled POTS in front of us and was appalled at my suggestion of adding extra salt to her diet…
Sue Martin
66. The Senco in our first meeting said “There is nothing to worry about, my daughter was hypermobile and she stiffened up as she got older and is fine now”.
Naomi Bannaghan
67. My twin daughters teacher who is also the school SENCO told me my girls should take risks, they both have complex needs, including physical disabilities but apparently I’m an overprotective parent when I guide them while they climb slides etc.
Nula Jackson
68. Told my daughter had growing pains and when I mentioned the falls was told, “It’s just uneven ground!!”
Wendy Graham
70. The reason I had my daughter ‘officially’ diagnosed was because I tried to ask a locum GP a question and got told I was an over protective mother who had too much time on her hands to Google things….
Belinda Isted
71. “She can’t have EDS, she would have had it since birth”.
Chris Watson
73. When I see a new doctor, I tell them I have EDS and they reach out and pinch your cheek with a befuddled look on their face. You know that they have only read about it and the skin effects are the only part they remember! (I have only met one Dr. in my lifetime that had actually seen EDS before so I’ve had my cheek pinched an awful lot!)
Onale Thomas
74. “Oh, what party tricks do you have?”
Kaytee Marie
75. School Vice Principal questioning why a consultant and a physiotherapist had insisted on laptop use for what they said were the most flexible fingers they’d ever seen: “But we’ve even had children in wheelchairs who can write”.
Michele Morgan
76. That you can’t diagnose hypermobility in children as all children are hypermobile. :/
Kim Neige Guillot
77. A teacher commented when we brought his buggy to collect him in year 1 as we had a mile walk and the last bit uphill was always a struggle on his knees, commented “I know you’re think you’re trying to help him but keeping him in a pushchair is just stopping him from using his legs and building up strength”.
Naomi Bannaghan
78. “Just wait until you get old.” That ticks me off the most. Your old and obviously functioning. I have had days in the bed incapacitated since I was 23. (now 47)
Tracey Scott
79. My sons first teacher accused me of having Munchhausen’s by proxi. As he looks normal. Yeah I answered till he dislocates!
Anonymous
Sylvia Kennedy
81. I had a doctor tell her “She can’t be that ill” as he’s never had anyone in so much pain they can’t be touched – turns out her list of ailments and complications were taller than his height lol….
Wendy Marsh
82. This was said to me not my daughter, when an orthopaedic consultant was examining my joints. He got to looking at my hips, put my legs together with knees bent then proceeded to pull them both outwards till they were flat down on the examination bed on each side, he chuckled to himself, looked at me and then said, “gosh yes you are very flexible aren’t you – your husband’s very lucky isn’t he!” In a really pervy way, totally inappropriate and insulting and I couldn’t get out of there fast enough.
Anonymous
83. My GP best suggestion for muscle cramps and joint pain was to rub coconut oil on myself….
Peter Powell
84. One of our previous GPs refused to refer for connective tissue disorders and was harping on about getting a formal diagnoses for autism, which we didn’t want at that time.
Old GP: if we can diagnose him with autism he will get lots of support from the LA for home education.
Me: I am a trustee of the largest home education charity in the country, I know what I am saying when I say there is no support for home education from the LA. I want Marfans eliminated as it is a life limiting condition.
Old GP: Oh yeah…he does show signs of that… I will refer you then.
He initially referred us to haematology!
Abbie Green
85. A physio said “I refused treatment” and refused to treat me again as I said I’m allergic to chlorine (badly) and I couldn’t use the hydro pool. It’s all over my medical notes I’m allergic and set of asthma and burns skin.
Elaine Wyatt
86. “The pain you are experiencing is like when a soldier looses his leg but can still feel pain in it” from paediatric consultant.
Jane Pickin
87. From pain management clinic: “We don’t up doses in EDS patients”. Because apparently WE don’t get acclimated like EVERYONE else who has ever taken pain meds consistently. OR because my pain can’t possibly be getting WORSE as I age and EVERY joint in my body is becoming riddled with osteoarthritis.
Jennifer Young
88. Rheumatologist “You don’t have full blown EDS as you don’t have the vascular type!”
Anonymous
89. Seeing a GP about ongoing pain and falls for my daughter and the first thing doc says is “What exactly r u expecting from this appointment u must want something cause u keep coming back”. Umm let me think.
Paula Hampton
90. Doctor: “You don’t have to worry unless it’s Marfans…”
Libby Listens Bassnett
91. GP: “I think that the BP monitor may be faulty – no one has results like that”.
Sarah Wells
92. At 14 I was diagnosed with Narcolepsy and very depressed. Doc – “What do you like doing”? Me – “horse riding”, Doc- “excellent,”. Looks at my mum, “she needs a horse” Mum ” yes of course, and I’m guessing the NHS will supply one”???? 😂
Tanya Newing
93. My daughter has hearing loss from EDS and in 5th grade a substitute told her to take the chewing gum out of her ears… they were the pink molds for her hearing aids. Lol
The kids actually laughed at the teacher…
94. My dd pead keeps telling me to buy a trampoline for her constipation. I am sure it would help but I am not buying one!
Tania Bray
95. “Vascular EDS isn’t that serious”! ….pain specialist
Erin Devane
(First published on My Stripy Life December 2017.)
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